Thanks again for the time and all the interesting Information - I begin to see a clearer Picture of the Khthones.
Dave Fraser wrote:It's gorgorar that are the ranged female snakes.
Gorgonar are the male combat snakes (ehich I think you have).
Ah - sorry, I´ve confused those two - at the Moment the Only Snake in my Collection is Vilthiss - and I am planning to get the Gorgorar Host from Savage Hordes 2. For the Gorgonar - I somehow hope that they will be in the Khthones Starter Host since they are the Standard Snakes (at least that was my Impression). If that should be the case I will get one of those too.
Dave Fraser wrote:Krokodar are bloody fantastic too. Great tanks, but the extra cost per model really hurts when you're needing 3 in a unit.
Well, they are the Reason that I am here (the Khthones Subforum that is ;D), I love the models started to look left and right of them and I liked what I´ve seen - the Liskar (I hope that we will see some of them in the Future - a Mainstay would be great) and the Khelones (same as above) - and now I don´t know why I had a "No Snakes" mindset at first, the Snakes are very cool.
Dave Fraser wrote:I think khthones are still struggling to find a balance under the new 3 mainstay requirements, I suspect either cheap gorgorar or savrar making up 1/3 mainstay and 2 gorgonar will be where I end up but then you need to take sthena/gorgor or a gorgorix to unlock the gorgorar or savrar to unlock savrakontar
I think you are right, the Savrar are the key to get lots of cheap Infantry into the Host to make Room for the Big Guys - maybe they could make it work but I would like to limit my Khthones to Liskar, Krokodar and Khelones - with some additional Snakes for good measure.
Dave Fraser wrote:Otherwise you end up putting a lot of gold into filling your compulsory slots and the army becomes quite restricted for options from lists I've written.
Thats the same conclusion that I´ve reached - and I think thats a good thing for the Balance. It would be great to fill a Host with a Krokodarch, some Krokodar, Kadamastar and Mazikilias and make it work, but I think a themed List with a Krokodarch, Kadamastar, Krokodar and some additional Scaled Allies would work better
Dave Fraser wrote:Not played enough on the table to say it is a bad thing but restricted optionality isn't a great feel for a force.
What I found I needed was a way to reach across the table more. shooting, magic, burrowers and kroks with water features are all great options but hard to fit into a list whilst not committing a lot of gold.
Well, I haven´t played a single game and haven´t read through all the rules, but from a Lore point of view it looks like the feel is just right - Lots of Krokodar, led by a Krokodarch and some Gorgos to keep them on track - but if you try to glue together Liskar and Krokodar you would have to bring more of the uniting Influence of the Snakes into the equation.
Dave Fraser wrote:But don't get me wrong most of the list has the potential to hit like a train so you'll still scare opponents!
And the manic grin splitting my face when I place those two Monsters would add to the scare Factor ;D - I still like the Idea, but I think at the moment it is hard to make it work. At least without the Savrar.
Dave Fraser wrote:I also want to try out cold blooded reactivating with the savrargos wizard spell.
Sounds like a great ability, but I try to keep my Khthones big - so unfortunatly he isn´t an option for me, but I like this Ability.
Dave Fraser wrote:I also seem to end up with a gorgon in every list I write at the moment but suspect that's just an ease of list building thing to make everyone have the lowest ubiquity without having to think!
From a Tactical Aspect Variety is King, but the Khthones Lore seems to demand that it will be hard to bring the different Realms together when the Gorgons arent there to remind them of the shared goals (at least that was how I´ve seen the Lore, I might be totaly wrong).