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Rob,

We know that units can perform a Hold And reaction, such as Hold and Gaze, Hold and Invoke, Hold and Shoot... etc..

But does this only apply when the Holding unit is being Directly engaged, as in a charge attack, or does it also apply when being Indirectly Attacked as in walking, running into attack?

Brightblade wrote:Rob,

We know that units can perform a Hold And reaction, such as Hold and Gaze, Hold and Invoke, Hold and Shoot... etc..

But does this only apply when the Holding unit is being Directly engaged, as in a charge attack, or does it also apply when being Indirectly Attacked as in walking, running into attack?

42.

Cheers
Rob

Rob Lane wrote:
42.

Cheers
Rob

What has the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything have to do with it...

Read the rulebook mate, it's all in there...

Cheers
Rob

If I remember correctly (don't have the rulebook with me, house plumbing is being fixed), the engaged unit could react before or after the movement as they choose, as long as they could see the enemy unit or could react anyway (not weary or engaged).
But my memory fails me sometimes, so you'd better double check. I believe it was in the rule about engaging. Or failing that, in the reaction rules.

I was having a look at this myself and if it isn't a direct engage you can declare the reaction either at the start of their engagement to your unit, as they become engaged or after any valour tests have been taken. (Page 157, opposite 156 as it has a picture over the number)
Valour tests may change the situation of course, for example if the engaging unit is fearsome or terrifying, if this is failed it may result in an involuntary or compulsive reaction, such as a flee or panic reaction.

Another example of a compulsive reaction would be a counter-engage from a feral and/or frenzied unit.

For direct, you can declare those same voluntary reactions (i.e. shoot, hold, invoke, withdraw etc..) immediately after any valour tests have been taken and passed, or they perform involuntary and compulsive ones immediately after the engage distance is measured (the distance combining the engaging unit's pace movement and the combat weapon with the longest reach that can currently be used). Again the involuntary could be a result of the valour tests or because of other reasons (see counter-engage above).

This is also a different reaction than a reaction declared for an attack reaction, which comes once the unit is engaged by the engaging unit. Though vigor restrictions (and others like invoker tolerance) still apply.

If I got any of that wrong, let me know.

PS: Take a look at the withdraw reaction, that's something we need to make more use of.

Brightblade wrote:But does this only apply when the Holding unit is being Directly engaged, as in a charge attack, or does it also apply when being Indirectly Attacked as in walking, running into attack?

With regret I can't string this along any longer, any type of Engagement can have a Hold and... reaction, with exceptions (such as Ambush), as long as the Engaged unit can do so.

It's all in section 7.10. Read it.

Cheers
Rob