Crush and Splash Evade Rolls

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Crush and Splash Evade Rolls

Postby Brightblade » Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:45 pm

Rob,

Having read the Crushed and Splash parts of the Throw Action in the rule book, I have a question on Evade Rolls;

Throwing unit has 3 throw Dice, Hits with 1, Misses with 2, Crush Template is positioned as per Rule book, and there are Two Warriors under the Crush Hole and 4 within the Splash area.

Do the 2 Crushed Wariors have to evade 1 Hit Dice each at the Full M&W value?

And

Do the 4 Splashed Warriors have to evade 2 Splash Dice each at the M&SW value?
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Re: Crush and Splash Evade Rolls

Postby Jonathon Chester » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:53 am

The two crushed warriors must evade 2 dice between them at full M+W, this can only kill those specific models as crush templates can't over spill to models not under the template.

The 4 splashed warriors have to only avoid 1 dice each for a total of 4 between them. You have to evade the number of hits, or one if its a complete miss, in addition the two crushed warriors also get splashed.
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Re: Crush and Splash Evade Rolls

Postby Brightblade » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:34 am

So the crushed warriors have to evade the 2 missed dice and the splashed warriors have to avoid the 1 hit dice each.. correct?

Sounds a bit confusing with crushed warriors avoiding missed dice and splashed warriors avoiding hit dice.. thought it would have been the other way around..
Rules certainly aren't clear on these points..
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Re: Crush and Splash Evade Rolls

Postby Jonathon Chester » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:11 am

No you have to avoid crush and splash dice equal to the hits. you roll 3 dice get 1, 2, 3 hits you must evade 1, 2, 3 dice respectively. If you missed all three and the scatter still hits something its 1 dice.
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Re: Crush and Splash Evade Rolls

Postby Brightblade » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:48 am

Sorry still not clear..

Need to play it to understand it..
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Re: Crush and Splash Evade Rolls

Postby Jonathon Chester » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:17 pm

Ok heres a scenario:

Oak beast throws its rock at a unit and requires 5's to hit.

with its three dice it rolls 8, 5 and 2 thus scoring a majority hit so the template does not scatter.

Under the hole is one model and five are under the template.

The model under the crush must avoid 2 dice at full M+W in addition to 2 at splash. The five under the template must avoid two dice each at splash M+W.

If in the exact same scenario 3 successes were rolled the dice would become 3 each, conversely if 1 success or a complete miss was rolled but no scatter occurred then you would avoid 1 dice each.

Hope this makes sense?
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Re: Crush and Splash Evade Rolls

Postby Medivo » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:52 pm

Err..

Crush hole is 1 save vs full m+w per hit on the shoot roll.
Splash damage is one hit at half m+w, on whatever is touched by the template, including the crushed warrior.

That's how rob and I played it the other week.....
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Re: Crush and Splash Evade Rolls

Postby Brightblade » Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:27 pm

Still need to play it to understand it..
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Re: Crush and Splash Evade Rolls

Postby Rob Lane » Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:59 am

Brightblade wrote:Rob,

Having read the Crushed and Splash parts of the Throw Action in the rule book, I have a question on Evade Rolls;

Throwing unit has 3 throw Dice, Hits with 1, Misses with 2, Crush Template is positioned as per Rule book, and there are Two Warriors under the Crush Hole and 4 within the Splash area.

Do the 2 Crushed Wariors have to evade 1 Hit Dice each at the Full M&W value?

And

Do the 4 Splashed Warriors have to evade 2 Splash Dice each at the M&SW value?


'Tis very simple...

In your example, if he misses with 2 shot dice, the crush template scatters. If it hits as you say, the two warriors under the crush hole get 1x M+W hit and 1x M+SW hit. The other two warriors that have been splashed get 1x M+SW hit each.

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Re: Crush and Splash Evade Rolls

Postby Brightblade » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:08 pm

Re-read the Rule on this, making more sense now, but still have one question...

If all the thrown Dice are fallen Dice, and you perform the Scatter action, roll for Direction, Distance etc, once re-positioned under the Crush hole is a warrior, and three more are under the template, as there are no Shot Dice only Fallen Dice, do all the warriors, including the one under the Crush Hole just have to Evade 1 dice each at the lesser Might + Splash Value? Or something else..
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Re: Crush and Splash Evade Rolls

Postby Jonathon Chester » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:13 pm

You have to evade one dice for each type of hit. As if the shot had only 1 dice and got a hit in the first place
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Re: Crush and Splash Evade Rolls

Postby Brightblade » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:03 pm

Jonathon Chester wrote:You have to evade one dice for each type of hit. As if the shot had only 1 dice and got a hit in the first place


So the Warrior under the crush Hole has to evade 1 dice at the full might + weapon value, and then the 3 other warriors plus the warrior under the crush hole have to evade 1 dice each at the lesser Might + Splash Weapon value..

Is this correct?
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Re: Crush and Splash Evade Rolls

Postby Jonathon Chester » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:24 pm

Indeed that is correct
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