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Shieldwall modifiers

Postby Icchan » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:01 am

On page 304, chapter 6.62.3.1 it says that Shieldwall parry modifiers are applied to Attack, Shoot and Invoke Action. However, only Attack Action parry modifier table mentions the Shieldwall modifiers.
Are Shieldwall modifiers really applied to Shoot and Invoke actions (I assume against Sight invocations only) or is the Shieldwall page outdated?
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Re: Shieldwall modifiers

Postby Brightblade » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:17 am

These are the new Shieldwall rules;

SHIELDWALL
Units in Shieldwall can now move double their PACE and stay in Shieldwall. They get a parry modifier of -3 (against enemy warriors equal to or lower than their mass), -2 (against enemy warriors of warriors 1 greater than their mass) and -1 (any other warrior).

The way I play it is that Shooting a Shieldwall offers the Defender -1 to Parry regardless of the attacking units size, and Invokes negate Shieldwall. But I may be playing those elements incorrectly.
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Re: Shieldwall modifiers

Postby Rob Lane » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:38 am

The Shieldwall page is outdated, it will be as Brightblade says, with a few other differences.

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Re: Shieldwall modifiers

Postby HughB » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:00 pm

Apologies for a ruthless hi-jack but am I right in thinking that if a weapon ignores armour, it ignores the parry modifiers for shieldwall as well?

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Re: Shieldwall modifiers

Postby Rob Lane » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:04 pm

HughB wrote:Apologies for a ruthless hi-jack but am I right in thinking that if a weapon ignores armour, it ignores the parry modifiers for shieldwall as well?

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Re: Shieldwall modifiers

Postby Icchan » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:25 pm

Is the reverse also true? For example if a game effect ignores the parry modifiers, does that ignore the Armour bonus from that parry equipment as well?
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Re: Shieldwall modifiers

Postby Rob Lane » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:38 pm

Icchan wrote:Is the reverse also true? For example if a game effect ignores the parry modifiers, does that ignore the Armour bonus from that parry equipment as well?


Yes.

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Re: Shieldwall modifiers

Postby Icchan » Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm

Shieldwalls again…
So warriors don't get the armour bonus to their constitution if it's negated entire, but I assume they will still get the bonus if they're in a shieldwall? After all the shieldwall bonus isn't negated entire against a monster many times larger (unless it has Hook),
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Re: Shieldwall modifiers

Postby Rob Lane » Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:16 am

Icchan wrote:Shieldwalls again…
So warriors don't get the armour bonus to their constitution if it's negated entire, but I assume they will still get the bonus if they're in a shieldwall? After all the shieldwall bonus isn't negated entire against a monster many times larger (unless it has Hook),


No, because armour is ignored. You can only be in a Shieldwall if you can bear a shield. If it's ignored, you're not in a Shieldwall for the purposes of the attack that ignores armour.

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Re: Shieldwall modifiers

Postby Icchan » Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:34 pm

Then why does Shieldwall have different modifiers for defending against larger opponents if they can't use their shields (and thus gain the modifiers) at all?
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Re: Shieldwall modifiers

Postby Brightblade » Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:47 am

Icchan wrote:Then why does Shieldwall have different modifiers for defending against larger opponents if they can't use their shields (and thus gain the modifiers) at all?


They can use their shields except when facing down a weapon that ignores armour..

30mm Shieldwall vs 30mm attacker = -3 Parry Modifier
30mm Shieldwall vs 40mm attacker = -2 Parry Modifier
30mm Shieldwall vs 50mm attacker = -1 Parry Modifier
30mm Shieldwall vs 60+mm attacker = -1 Parry Modifier

In All cases Attacker has weapon that Ignores Armour, Shieldwall Parry Modifier = 0
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Re: Shieldwall modifiers

Postby Jonathon Chester » Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:19 pm

Icchan wrote:Then why does Shieldwall have different modifiers for defending against larger opponents if they can't use their shields (and thus gain the modifiers) at all?


Being able to parry and getting your shield are two different things. You gain the armour buff but can’t parry something bigger.

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