Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

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Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Rob Lane » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:17 pm

Everyone,

As promised I'm starting to work through these quarterly. We're now into the second half of 2018, so here's an update!

Go here to download them: http://mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=drm

Changes include:
- Bædubera added to the Anglecynn muster
- Morag of Mann added to the Sell-Swords muster
- Far Thule can bring some humans to the party
- Sell-Swords can bring some ruffians (generic humans)
- Érainn Peat Beasts can Combine into a Bog Beast
- Érainn Earth Beast can Consume earth to heal itself
- errors / typos noted previously have been fixed
- most warriors with two weapons now have the "Quick Strike" weapon rule
- most warriors with Charge+ weapons now have the "Impact Strike" weapon rule (remember that impact strikes go before your normal strikes, so you have a chance to reduce your enemy's C+A before your main weapons)
- some warriors have gained the "Vicious Strike" weapon rule
- some warriors have gained the "Death Strike" weapon rule (notably the Cráncull and the Skorpion Major)

Feel free to note any errors or typos in these updates by replying to this post.

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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby James Balmer » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:16 pm

Rob,

Typo on the Sell-sword muster
Unit champion gains "+1 attack dice (gar)" but is armed with a spear (yes I know they are the same just in different languages)

Fomoraic
Reiver Untain is only realm Reivers of the Eye whilst the Tain is Reivers and far Thule.
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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Rick_Boer » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:38 pm

Shouldn't there be a new ruleset for Thrada now that the Nihtbats will be on 60mms and 3 new sculpts?
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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Jonathon Chester » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:42 pm

Rob,

Is it intended for the prifdynwocor not to have quickstrike on its beak attack where as the dynwocor do?
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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Skull king » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:51 pm

Whoops! Created a whole subtopic for these notes, not realizing you wanted them here.

Just went through the updated fomoraic muster. Glad to see the reivers have the subrealm of ‘Far Thule’ now. Just a couple questions in regards to this.

- The Reiver UNtain does not have Far Thule as a subrealm, I assume they should if the tains do.

- I assume since all the ograx reivers don’t have Far Thule as a subrealm, then none will. Might make sense though, if they’ll eventually ride feleox. ;)

- the reiver cavalry does not have Far Thule as a subrealm, should they?

- I noticed the walvax lost ‘Conaad’ as a subrealm.

Looking forward to converting one of my Maaris to be my Far Thule untain (assuming that’s supposed to be a thing :D ).
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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Icchan » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:09 am

Norse Muster
- Skipari: Sword and Axe replacement have quick strike when used with one, but neither sword nor axe alone have it when using one handed.
- Steersman: Same issue as above.
- Visi: Same issue as above. Axe replacement has Parry instead of Hook.
- Segger: Has Quick Strike on both 1 and 2 handed attacks. Can Compel bondmenn, but bondmenn are not on the muster.
- Filungi: 1 handed attack option seems weak compared to 2 handed, practically gains zero benefit from using 1 handed as he has no shield, other weapons or mount options. Maybe also add clarification if upgrade options can go below zero.
- Troll Goth: Trollskull Gandr has rule referencing it to as Trollskull Staff, but it's Trollskull Gandr everywhere else on the muster.
- Vore: Has Warrior Rules header but it's empty.

Aw man, I'd had hoped warrior strengths would have been in this update.
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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Jonathon Chester » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:03 am

Icchan wrote:Norse Muster
- Skipari: Sword and Axe replacement have quick strike when used with one, but neither sword nor axe alone have it when using one handed.
- Steersman: Same issue as above.
- Visi: Same issue as above. Axe replacement has Parry instead of Hook.
- Segger: Has Quick Strike on both 1 and 2 handed attacks. Can Compel bondmenn, but bondmenn are not on the muster.
- Filungi: 1 handed attack option seems weak compared to 2 handed, practically gains zero benefit from using 1 handed as he has no shield, other weapons or mount options. Maybe also add clarification if upgrade options can go below zero.
- Troll Goth: Trollskull Gandr has rule referencing it to as Trollskull Staff, but it's Trollskull Gandr everywhere else on the muster.
- Vore: Has Warrior Rules header but it's empty.

Aw man, I'd had hoped warrior strengths would have been in this update.


They have warrior strengths in the Brythoniaid under the unit size
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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby antoine » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:29 am

I thought (read somewhere) that the toracx were close friends with the gabrax, but in the new muster, their only realm is now Baalor, instead of Cursed Herd.is that on purpose ?
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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Icchan » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:39 am

Jonathon Chester wrote:They have warrior strengths in the Brythoniaid under the unit size

Nice! Except I don't play Brythoniad :(
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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby James Balmer » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:04 am

Icchan wrote:
Jonathon Chester wrote:They have warrior strengths in the Brythoniaid under the unit size

Nice! Except I don't play Brythoniad :(


What kindred do you play then?
Look at the box underneath the "hands" box and to the left of the "base size" box and you should find the warrior strength.
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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Jonathon Chester » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:06 am

Icchan wrote:
Jonathon Chester wrote:They have warrior strengths in the Brythoniaid under the unit size

Nice! Except I don't play Brythoniad :(


The Norse do too.
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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby James Balmer » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:09 am

Jonathon Chester wrote:
Icchan wrote:
Jonathon Chester wrote:They have warrior strengths in the Brythoniaid under the unit size

Nice! Except I don't play Brythoniad :(


The Norse do too.

All of the musters have it.
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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Jonathon Chester » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:20 am

James Balmer wrote:
Jonathon Chester wrote:
Icchan wrote:Nice! Except I don't play Brythoniad :(


The Norse do too.

All of the musters have it.


Thought so
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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Icchan » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:48 am

Then it was just me being blind, for some reason I was expecting it to be IN the base size box. Jokes on me, good job Rob!

I did notice something else though, Fellhrafn doesn't have any hands, but it's Slashing Talons attack requires 2 hands.
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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Icchan » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:40 pm

Morag of Mann has three invocations listed in his profile, but doesn't have Sorcerer trait.
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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Rob Lane » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:52 pm

James Balmer wrote:Rob,

Typo on the Sell-sword muster
Unit champion gains "+1 attack dice (gar)" but is armed with a spear (yes I know they are the same just in different languages)


Sorted!

James Balmer wrote:Fomoraic
Reiver Untain is only realm Reivers of the Eye whilst the Tain is Reivers and far Thule.


Nice one, sorted now, thanks.

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Postby Rob Lane » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:53 pm

Rick_Boer wrote:Shouldn't there be a new ruleset for Thrada now that the Nihtbats will be on 60mms and 3 new sculpts?


Not sure what you're getting at?

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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Rob Lane » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:54 pm

Jonathon Chester wrote:Rob,

Is it intended for the prifdynwocor not to have quickstrike on its beak attack where as the dynwocor do?


Nope! Will sort.

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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Rob Lane » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:56 pm

Skull king wrote:Whoops! Created a whole subtopic for these notes, not realizing you wanted them here.

Just went through the updated fomoraic muster. Glad to see the reivers have the subrealm of ‘Far Thule’ now. Just a couple questions in regards to this.

- The Reiver UNtain does not have Far Thule as a subrealm, I assume they should if the tains do.


Yeah, already sorted.

Skull king wrote:- I assume since all the ograx reivers don’t have Far Thule as a subrealm, then none will. Might make sense though, if they’ll eventually ride feleox. ;)


Far Thule have their own monstrous infantry, so they won't make it in there. Feleox are borrowed ;o)

Skull king wrote:- the reiver cavalry does not have Far Thule as a subrealm, should they?


No. Decided against that as there'll be... erm... other riders for Far Thule...

Skull king wrote:- I noticed the walvax lost ‘Conaad’ as a subrealm.


That was a while back to be honest.

Skull king wrote:Looking forward to converting one of my Maaris to be my Far Thule untain (assuming that’s supposed to be a thing :D ).


Absolutely!

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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Rob Lane » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:01 pm

Icchan wrote:Norse Muster
- Skipari: Sword and Axe replacement have quick strike when used with one, but neither sword nor axe alone have it when using one handed.
- Steersman: Same issue as above.
- Visi: Same issue as above.


Correct, it's because warriors using two weapons get Quick Strike, whereas with one weapon they do not.

Icchan wrote:Axe replacement has Parry instead of Hook.


Good spot.

Icchan wrote:- Segger: Has Quick Strike on both 1 and 2 handed attacks. Can Compel bondmenn, but bondmenn are not on the muster.


All Host Champions have Quick Strike with their primary weapons.

Icchan wrote:- Filungi: 1 handed attack option seems weak compared to 2 handed, practically gains zero benefit from using 1 handed as he has no shield, other weapons or mount options.


He will at some point - nothing to change here as that's an opinion, not a typo or error...

Icchan wrote: Maybe also add clarification if upgrade options can go below zero.


Good spot, I'll fix that.

Icchan wrote:- Troll Goth: Trollskull Gandr has rule referencing it to as Trollskull Staff, but it's Trollskull Gandr everywhere else on the muster.


Will fix.

Icchan wrote:- Vore: Has Warrior Rules header but it's empty.


Whoops, forgot to hide that.

Icchan wrote:Aw man, I'd had hoped warrior strengths would have been in this update.


They are...

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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Rob Lane » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:01 pm

antoine wrote:I thought (read somewhere) that the toracx were close friends with the gabrax, but in the new muster, their only realm is now Baalor, instead of Cursed Herd.is that on purpose ?


Weird, that's wrong! Will fix. They should be Cursed Herd.

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Postby Rob Lane » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:02 pm

Icchan wrote:Then it was just me being blind, for some reason I was expecting it to be IN the base size box. Jokes on me, good job Rob!

I did notice something else though, Fellhrafn doesn't have any hands, but it's Slashing Talons attack requires 2 hands.


Yeah, that's a mistake. Sorted!

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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Rob Lane » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:03 pm

Icchan wrote:Morag of Mann has three invocations listed in his profile, but doesn't have Sorcerer trait.


Great spot!

Will fix.

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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Rick_Boer » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:05 pm

Rob Lane wrote:
Rick_Boer wrote:Shouldn't there be a new ruleset for Thrada now that the Nihtbats will be on 60mms and 3 new sculpts?


Not sure what you're getting at?

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You mentioned that you were going for 3 new smaller bats as part of the Savage Hordes 4 set instead of the 2 that would accompany THrada on 80mm bases. Now, if that has changed that's fine. But I'd thought we would need a new muster entry for the big Thrada on 80mm if the plan is still to have the nihtbats on 60mms and as 3 new miniatures. But all of that is hard to tell without that tasty concept art we still haven't seen ;)
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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Rob Lane » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:09 pm

Rick_Boer wrote:
Rob Lane wrote:
Rick_Boer wrote:Shouldn't there be a new ruleset for Thrada now that the Nihtbats will be on 60mms and 3 new sculpts?


Not sure what you're getting at?

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You mentioned that you were going for 3 new smaller bats as part of the Savage Hordes 4 set instead of the 2 that would accompany THrada on 80mm bases. Now, if that has changed that's fine. But I'd thought we would need a new muster entry for the big Thrada on 80mm if the plan is still to have the nihtbats on 60mms and as 3 new miniatures. But all of that is hard to tell without that tasty concept art we still haven't seen ;)


Ahhh, I see - yes, I need to add the new bats. I will do once I've got the concept art sorted.

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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby demyse » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:24 pm

Formoriac muster - Reiver Gultain says it can gain +1 shot to its bow, but the unit doesn't have a bow option. also states that Reivers can be either Reivers of the eye or Far Thule, but unit has bind (ograx reiver) as an option, should that not be reserved for Reivers of the eye only? or is it for either?
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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby Rob Lane » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:20 pm

demyse wrote:Formoriac muster - Reiver Gultain says it can gain +1 shot to its bow, but the unit doesn't have a bow option.


Good spot, fixed!

demyse wrote: also states that Reivers can be either Reivers of the eye or Far Thule, but unit has bind (ograx reiver) as an option, should that not be reserved for Reivers of the eye only? or is it for either?


Well I'll be splitting the Fomoraic into realm musters shortly, so don't worry about that for now.

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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby demyse » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:08 pm

Vras Musters - Blight spells - Black Blight and Rabid state that they can be used on kin 'Vras Fiend' (amongst others) the Vermin Fiend is kin 'Vermin Fiend', so can it be cast on him?
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Postby Rob Lane » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:12 pm

demyse wrote:Vras Musters - Blight spells - Black Blight and Rabid state that they can be used on kin 'Vras Fiend' (amongst others) the Vermin Fiend is kin 'Vermin Fiend', so can it be cast on him?


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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby demyse » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:27 pm

Infernii
Servile Lord and Servile Liege have the weapon variants that are included in the banebeasts line (2 axes) but the servile champion does not have weapon options based on the banebeasts models
Servile fiend - there is a limited edition armoured variant of this model, but no armour option on the profile
Servile warrior has a lower authority than a servile fiend

Vras Muster
Vras Lord can compel Trained or Drilled Spear-Vras, but making spear Vras trained or drilled does not change their ubiquity
Kill vras can compel Spear-Vras, but they are already mainstay by default

Sellswords Muster (some might have been mentioned before but I think they missed the update)
Finnan - has option for both armour and shield, but muster doesn't have the new super helpful combined armour stat
Rikkard - can be a noble commander in a Jute host, is that cant or wiht, as wiht doesn't currently have a default mainstay, also which Anglecynn realm can he command
Maximus - Sorcerous Axe used 2 handed states foot only, but Maximus doesn't have a mounted option
Beowa - can be a noble commander or individual in an Anglecynn (Beornica, Dēra, Mierce, Eofora) or Jute (Cant or Wiht) host. same as Rikkard in that Wiht don't have a mainstay. Also in Beowa's entry in the Anglecynn muster he can Compel (Werbera); Influence(Slēanbera); but not in this version.
Florus - can be a noble commander in a Jute or Anglecynn host, same again regarding mainstay and which realm.
Ruffian - who can take them?
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Re: Kindred Musters Update - 1st July 2018

Postby JediCat » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:37 am

Atalantes Muster

Strategos sunblade now named "Ilioxifos", description still says Sunblade.
Strategos sunspear now named "Iliodoru", description still says Sunspear.

Fomoraic Muster

Likely not an error, just some news I missed, but the "Srónax Untain" seems to have vanished.
Small bit of confusion, but Warlock of Baalor "Staff of the Ice" costs both 2 and 10. Is it supposed to be 12 total? Possibly a rules question, but wasn't sure where to put it.

Ysian Muster

Seer-Drune has lost its mount options. Wondered if I missed something, but there is still a mounted model.

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