Muster - Missing/Wrong Elements

[Lesrac]

Hello everyone

I think a thread for missing or wrong elements in any kindred muster would be appropriate. So that everyone is aware and Mierce doesn't have to handle multiple emails about the same.

Anglecynn
- Sleanbera & Great Hart: The Ubiquity does not mention to which Realm it belongs
- Timoth isn't mentioned in the musters (should be Thegn)
- Eadric isn't mentioned in the musters (should be Forthegn)

Byzantii
- Demiurion & Demioption & Demimagus & Demilegionarius & Ignilegionarius: The Ubiquity does not mention to which Realm it belongs

Erainn
- Men of Armhach: Not mentioned below the Maiobhanagh entry

Sell-Swords:
- Beowa & Uthred: Realm is AngELcynn instead of Anglecynn


I haven't checked all musters. If someone finds something else, please write it in this thread.
I will try to update this post.

Regards

[Rick_Boer]

The realms are listed under realms, the ubiquities follow the same list, so for example the Byzantii:
Legio on top and Dis below, so the top ubiquity is for a Legio list, the other one for a Dis list

[Lesrac]

@Rick_Boer: I know, but in the Fomoraic muster or Infernii muster it's clearly stated. And I think that's a nice addition. And either add it to every muster or remove it from all.

[Phil Winstanley]

Lesrac - Read Rick's second sentence again mate, some models have dual realms and ubiquities

[Lesrac]

@Phil, erm yes? that's why I have said in my original post that the Sleanbera entry needs to specify which ubiquity belongs to which realm. Simply open the Infernii muster and go to SERVILE FIEND OF DIS and you know what I mean.

[Jonathon Chester]

The sleanbera is uncommon 2 mierce uncommon beronica as per muster I for see what the problem with that entry is mate?

[Lesrac]

http://s36.photobucket.com/user/Lesrac77/media/compare_zps7ixxuyhr.png.html?sort=3&o=0
does that help? Because without changing to German I can't be more precise.

[Phil Winstanley]

Ah I see what you're saying now. It is specified in some lines but not others.

I hadn't noticed the specification previously, just went off the top line = top line way that Rick mentioned.

[Rob Lane]

Anglecynn
- Sleanbera & Great Hart: The Ubiquity does not mention to which Realm it belongs
- Timoth isn't mentioned in the musters (should be Thegn)
- Eadric isn't mentioned in the musters (should be Forthegn)

Sorted!

Byzantii
- Demiurion & Demioption & Demimagus & Demilegionarius & Ignilegionarius: The Ubiquity does not mention to which Realm it belongs

Yea, will sort.

Erainn
- Men of Armhach: Not mentioned below the Maiobhanagh entry

Sorted

Sell-Swords:
- Beowa & Uthred: Realm is AngELcynn instead of Anglecynn

Done! Nice one, keep it up.

Cheers
Rob

[That Guy]

I guess this is the place to mention that I've seen some oddities in the Kthone muster. Not sure if they are intentional or not.

-Liskarchon (warlord) has an authority of 67 where as Krokodarch (warchief) has a higher authority of 68.

-Krokodar have "Mighty Strike" on their stone clubs, however both the Krokodarchon and Krokodarch dont have this ability with stone clubs.

[Rob Lane]

I guess this is the place to mention that I've seen some oddities in the Kthone muster. Not sure if they are intentional or not.

-Liskarchon (warlord) has an authority of 67 where as Krokodarch (warchief) has a higher authority of 68.

Yea, that's wrong. I'll recalculate his Authority.

-Krokodar have "Mighty Strike" on their stone clubs, however both the Krokodarchon and Krokodarch dont have this ability with stone clubs.

Again, that's an error - I'll add those in.

Good spots!

Cheers
Rob

[JediCat]

Atalantes goof on the Thauma profile, has a Oghu thing at the bottom: http://puu.sh/or0fI/8ba65317d3.png

[Rob Lane]

Thanks Jedi, will fix.

Cheers
Rob

[Alex (ÉgB)]

Inconsistency on the Hippoxus entry for the Byzantii - Combat Weapon Options lists "Flail Bell" but the Ringing Bells rule lists "Chained Bells" instead.

[Lesrac]

Fomoraic:
REIVER UNTAIN & REIVER TAIN are missing the "Armour+ all options"-heading for their armour-options

Byzantii:
The Warrior Rules of the Option, Auxilia Option and Centurion contain the word 'Contubernia' (Legionarius Contubernia, Auxiliarius Contubernia, ...). That makes sense for the Roman reference, but the muster entries are simple 'Legionarius' or 'Auxiliarius'. I think either the rules or the muster entries should be changed. So that they match 100%.

[Rob Lane]

Thanks Alex and Lesrac, have sorted those.

I disagree with you on the Contubernia though. Contubernia is just another word for unit.

Cheers
Rob

[James Harding]

Maybe it's worth clarifying that though Rob?
You know it means that, and it makes logical sense for it to mean that, but a line to explain it, or even just replace 'contubernia' with 'unit' makes it easier/clearer for players?

[Rob Lane]

I'll just change it to unit on the muster.

Cheers
Rob

[Alex (ÉgB)]

Spotted an error on the Albainn muster. On the entry for Oghurithne Mormaer, under the Lord of Oghurithne warrior rule:

"...at least one Oghurithne unit (or Oghurithne Hunter unit) must be included in at least one Oghurithne Mormaer's or Oghurithne Mormaer's command."

I presume this should be the same style as others, so "...at least one Oghurithne Mormaer's or Oghurithne Umaer's command." or else the duplication needs to be corrected.

[Rob Lane]

That's changing in the next iteration (those sorts of rules will be covered by a generic ability), but thanks for bringing it to my attention anyway!

Cheers
Rob

[Alex (ÉgB)]

Even better!

On the Ysian muster there are inconsistencies with references to Death-Brute, Death-Abhorrent, Brutes and Abhorrents weapons. Calls them clubs in some places and weapons in others - also in the Death- versions the replacements are worded that they replace themselves rather than what they should be replacing.

Hopefully that makes sense!

[Alex (ÉgB)]

The club/weapon inconsistency is still there as above.

On the Erainn Taioseach it says he already has a shield in his combat weapons but then lists it as an armour option to purchase. Doesn't match with Curadh or Ri Tuath, so I thought I'd raise it.

[Rob Lane]

Even better!

On the Ysian muster there are inconsistencies with references to Death-Brute, Death-Abhorrent, Brutes and Abhorrents weapons. Calls them clubs in some places and weapons in others - also in the Death- versions the replacements are worded that they replace themselves rather than what they should be replacing.

Hopefully that makes sense!

Yea, will fix in the next iteration.

On the Erainn Taioseach it says he already has a shield in his combat weapons but then lists it as an armour option to purchase. Doesn't match with Curadh or Ri Tuath, so I thought I'd raise it.

Yea, thanks - will sort.

Cheers
Rob

[Alex (ÉgB)]

Glad to help! (Even just a little bit!)

[Rob Lane]

Keep helping! It really does help mate. I usually miss something!

Cheers
Rob

[Alex (ÉgB)]

OK, I will

As I'm writing up a list right now I spotted that there's a minor typo in the Guard rule for the Oghurigg - Mormaer is misspelled as 'Mormer' in the second sentence. (I did say it was minor!)

[Rob Boyce]

Just noticed the horse for a Taoiseach is 1g more expensive than for the the Ri Tuah, just checking that's intentional because it seems backwards?

[Rob Lane]

I will sort both, thanks.

Cheers
Rob

[Vhalan]

On the current Infernii muster,

Obeisant Fiend of Dis cost upgrade is listed as ###

Thanks,

Ian

[Rob Boyce]

On the Albainn characters' mounts, barding and heavy barding don't exclude each other, so you can take both. This is different on the Brythoniaid so presume it should be as the welsh

[Rob Lane]

Sorted both, thanks guys.

Cheers
Rob

[Alex (ÉgB)]

The Oghur champion text refers to a pole-blade but they have glaives now.

[Kharn]

Hi, Rob!
In the Erainn Muster, does YEW BEAST really have no Wound+ modifier on the Snapping Bite? All his tree-brothers have...

[Kharn]

One more question. Sword-Melusine Invocation:
Continuous Effect: The Marked unit becomes a Sairen unit, gaining +1 attack die upon each Marked warrior's primary combat weapon. Sairen units are Difficult
Targets and Difficult Marks, and any unit engaged with the Sairen unit that does not have the Construct or Insensate trait, and is a noble or a vassal, immediately
becomes confused until the end of their next activation. If the Sword-Melusine unit contains a mustered herald, the Marked unit immediately becomes entangled and
confused.
So, for the second part, about the Herald. Marked unit is Sword-Melusine one. And they become entangled and confused?

[Rob Lane]

Hi, Rob!
In the Erainn Muster, does YEW BEAST really have no Wound+ modifier on the Snapping Bite? All his tree-brothers have...

Good point, I'll add that!

One more question. Sword-Melusine Invocation:
Continuous Effect: The Marked unit becomes a Sairen unit, gaining +1 attack die upon each Marked warrior's primary combat weapon. Sairen units are Difficult
Targets and Difficult Marks, and any unit engaged with the Sairen unit that does not have the Construct or Insensate trait, and is a noble or a vassal, immediately
becomes confused until the end of their next activation. If the Sword-Melusine unit contains a mustered herald, the Marked unit immediately becomes entangled and
confused.

So, for the second part, about the Herald. Marked unit is Sword-Melusine one. And they become entangled and confused?

Do you mean, the Marked unit is an enemy Sword-Melusine unit? If so that shouldn't happen - they'd be immune. Good spot!

Cheers
Rob

[Kharn]

One more additional question to that invoke:
In first part- marked unit is Melusines themselves, they buff themselves.
And who is marked unit in the second part about the herald and entanglement?
Should there be two different marked units - for buff(themselves) and debuff(unit, engaged by melusines)?

[JediCat]

Found a typo with Euryalia:

"The Black Root: Euryalia may consume Groundsel immediately she activates."

It is missing a word between "immediately" and "she".

[Lesrac]

Fomoraic Muster:

• REIVER TAIN is listed as Unit Size of 5+/20
• Spelling of GUL-Gabrax Untain and GUL-Gabrax Tain only listen 'GAB-rax' and no 'Gul'
• Spelling of GUL-Gabrax is 'GUL', the one for GUL-GABROX 'GULL'
• Spelling for 'Warrior of Baalor' mentions 'BA-lor', everywhere else it's 'BAL-or'

[Stu]

JediCat, I noticed that "immediately" had been used as a conjunction in a few places in the rulebook and it stuck out to me as odd, but apparently it's valid grammar in British English and I've just never seen anyone other than Rob use it that way.

[deadlydeceiver]

Jute Muster - Gast
Deadgarseax does Death Damage when one-handed, but soul damage when two-handed. Seemed worth mentioning...

Jute Muster - Tomb Spider
Those are listed as Rare for the Cant realm and Uncoommon for Wiht. Shouldn't it be the other way round, like the Mound Beetle?

[Rob Lane]

JediCat, I noticed that "immediately" had been used as a conjunction in a few places in the rulebook and it stuck out to me as odd, but apparently it's valid grammar in British English and I've just never seen anyone other than Rob use it that way.

Hehe. Clearly I am superior because of it ;o)

To be honest I was very surprised when people questioned its use! I always thought it was pretty common...

Cheers
Rob

[Rob Lane]

Jute Muster - Gast
Deadgarseax does Death Damage when one-handed, but soul damage when two-handed. Seemed worth mentioning...

Good spot, will fix.

Jute Muster - Tomb Spider
Those are listed as Rare for the Cant realm and Uncoommon for Wiht. Shouldn't it be the other way round, like the Mound Beetle?

No, as the Tomb Spiders are of Wiht, not Cant. Simply put, the spiders are more likely to be seen with the Wihts than the Cantish, and vice versa for the beetles.

Cheers
Rob

[Rob Lane]

[*]REIVER TAIN is listed as Unit Size of 5+/20

Sorted!

[*]Spelling of GUL-Gabrax Untain and GUL-Gabrax Tain only listen 'GAB-rax' and no 'Gul'

Technically they're still Gabrax - they're just bigger.

[*]Spelling of GUL-Gabrax is 'GUL', the one for GUL-GABROX 'GULL'

Can't find this...!

[*]Spelling for 'Warrior of Baalor' mentions 'BA-lor', everywhere else it's 'BAL-or'[/list]

Thank you!

Some good spots there, cheers.

Rob

[deadlydeceiver]

Fomoraic - Walvax (Unit,Untain and Tain)
Skill and authority distribution seems off (Untain has lowest)
0 hands on the Nets
Is the flesh hook really for free? 6 Attacks with it plus 6 with the one-handed harpoon seems terribly brutal.
Guess all three entries need a further detailed look.

Kraaken
sooo.... 2 of Uuthülls arms are tentacles, the "Tentacle Whip" and the one with the "Sperm Whale Jaw". They are basically the left and right version of the same arm.
So shouldn't both have the same special rules? (Grab and the Blind/Sightless strike)
It also seems off that the "Prow"-weapon has a lower might+ than the naked tentacle...

Jutes
Shouldn't the rules for the "undead"-Trait be listed at the top of the muster, like the "Automaton" rules in the Atalantes muster?

Best Sven

[Rob Lane]

Fomoraic - Walvax (Unit,Untain and Tain)
Skill and authority distribution seems off (Untain has lowest)

Yea that's dodgy. I'll change his Skill, that'll sort the Authority out.

0 hands on the Nets

That's deliberate. They throw the nets before they attack.

Is the flesh hook really for free? 6 Attacks with it plus 6 with the one-handed harpoon seems terribly brutal.
Guess all three entries need a further detailed look.

For free? You've lost me. The Flesh Hook is switch (Harpoon).

Kraaken
sooo.... 2 of Uuthülls arms are tentacles, the "Tentacle Whip" and the one with the "Sperm Whale Jaw". They are basically the left and right version of the same arm.
So shouldn't both have the same special rules? (Grab and the Blind/Sightless strike)

No, for me the whip is the flexible one, the jaw not.

It also seems off that the "Prow"-weapon has a lower might+ than the naked tentacle...

Yeah, it's a club, not a sharp club...

Jutes
Shouldn't the rules for the "undead"-Trait be listed at the top of the muster, like the "Automaton" rules in the Atalantes muster?

Weird... I could have sworn I'd changed all that. They should have the "Unliving" trait on their profile rather than "Undead". See p46 of the rule book... will change that.

Cheers
Rob

[deadlydeceiver]

Hey Rob,

thanks for taking the time to answer.

For free? You've lost me. The Flesh Hook is switch (Harpoon).

Sorry for being unclear here. I meant "free" as in "every warrior comes with it and no further gold cost is attached to it"
Am I mistaken in thinking that a Walvax can attack with the Flesh Hook in one hand and the one-handed profile of the Harpoon in the other?
That's one massive damage potential for a model with skill in the 30s at 80 gold. (even the hook on it's own would be harsh)

I was rather expecting the hook to come with the net and replace the Harpoon.

No, for me the whip is the flexible one, the jaw not.

Sooo, why does the Jaw (the tentacle already holding something) have the Grab rule and the Whip (the vacant, flexible tentacle) doesn't? (I know you hate me a bit at this very moment )

Yeah, it's a club, not a sharp club...

But the tentacle whip is... well... just soft, flesh... or how should I picture it?


Finally another error I spotted:
Fomoraic-Nucránc
Champion cost says Err.508

Best Sven

[Rob Lane]

Sorry for being unclear here. I meant "free" as in "every warrior comes with it and no further gold cost is attached to it"
Am I mistaken in thinking that a Walvax can attack with the Flesh Hook in one hand and the one-handed profile of the Harpoon in the other?

Yes, you're mistaken... sorry! The Switch (Harpoon) prevents him using both. The Walvax can't use the Flesh Hook and the Harpoon at the same time. If he could, one of them would have 3 attack dice, the other 4.

Whether they should be able to attack with both is another matter and one I may well allow when the next iteration comes around...

I was rather expecting the hook to come with the net and replace the Harpoon.

Why? When he chucks the harpoon, he doesn't have a weapon if he didn't have the Flesh Hook. It may just be a lore thing, but it's important to me in that sense.

Sooo, why does the Jaw (the tentacle already holding something) have the Grab rule and the Whip (the vacant, flexible tentacle) doesn't? (I know you hate me a bit at this very moment )

Because it's wobblier than the Jaw tentacle... or that's the view I took when I created the profile. So ultimately, it's just what I'd prefer it to be, simply put...

But the tentacle whip is... well... just soft, flesh... or how should I picture it?

Well, yes - soft flesh.

Finally another error I spotted:
Fomoraic-Nucránc
Champion cost says Err.508

Nice one, will fix that.

[James Balmer]

Rob,

Not sure if these have been pointed out yet but i'll put them here to make sure.

Ysian
Uthards Chimaera:
M+W+Ch of the bull horn butt doesn't seem to reflect the value of the M+W and Ch+ values.

Erainn
Curadh:
M+W values of the sword and axe are different but the Weapon+ values are the same.

James

[Rob Lane]

Dammit, only just seen this. Sorry James!

Uthards Chimaera:
M+W+Ch of the bull horn butt doesn't seem to reflect the value of the M+W and Ch+ values.

Fixed, thanks!

Curadh:
M+W values of the sword and axe are different but the Weapon+ values are the same.

Good spot, fixed!

Keep spotting those errors!

Cheers
Rob

[Rick_Boer]

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